Saturday, 24th May 2008: Choke Cocoi in KL

Apr 29, 2008

Saturday, 24th May 2008: Choke Cocoi in KL

91 Comments, Comment or Ping

lori

balik nanti jangan lupa bawa tempe,,leh wat jual kat kedai..market banyak tuuu hahaha

May 1st, 2008
madmax

poor them. need to play with that stupid-oldskoll-konon hardcore moron.

May 3rd, 2008
haq

backline for rent.

www.studioshopspace.com

May 5th, 2008
kenet

“poor them. need to play with that stupid-oldskoll-konon hardcore moron”?

MADMAX you soooooooooo HARDCORE. ahahahha.

May 9th, 2008
kenet

Ops… lupa.. venua dah tukar kat p.place.. Poor them. huh.

May 9th, 2008
dean

nti joe balik dia update la kot.

fuh…lg dekat dgn umah. best2. senang mau pergi =)

nk tgk hari tamak kenet. hahaha ;p

May 9th, 2008
rob bee

wooo..
kenet menguasai pentas.
hahahha

May 9th, 2008
kenet

Hahahaha… awit akan mengusai pentas.. itu kata juri episod lepas.. ye arr tu.. aku dah mail joe malam tadi.. huh.. lama tak gi p.place.. rindu tgk anjing2 berlarian di depan kedai mamak… ahahha

May 9th, 2008
civil_disorder_dude

LEH… Main paul’s place ke? Poor them, In all the places, I wish them luck and seriously they will need it.

hahaha MADMAX is HARDCORE To the fucking Core !!!! RIP IT UP !!! haha :)

May 9th, 2008
verse

Madmax is mad.. hahaha
kesian dengan diri sendiri la dulu .. heee

May 12th, 2008
RIBUT

HAHA madmax ..suka tgk ko merungut ..macam nenek aku serba bagus.

May 14th, 2008
madmax

im just concern that hardcore is not a business and BUSINESS, or ‘rm50 ticket per entry’ , zouk wannabe and mtv victim. So shame on us if they know what going on in our hardcore market and i bet they will hate it for sure. (or maybe). yes poor me because i am ‘malaysian hardcore’ but your grandma is more hardcore than me.

May 15th, 2008
khairul azizi

hardcore for sell..fuck yeah!

May 15th, 2008
civil_disorder_dude

im just concern that hardcore is not a business and BUSINESS, or ‘rm50 ticket per entry’ , zouk wannabe and mtv victim. So shame on us if they know what going on in our hardcore market and i bet they will hate it for sure. (or maybe). yes poor me because i am ‘malaysian hardcore’ but your grandma is more hardcore than me.

Quite true Madmax, Now days you could see almost everybody wearing a t-shirt saying “Straight Edge” and i bet you they don’t even know what the heck is “Straight Edge”. I don’t have problem with Straight Edge, but being commercialize and Capitalize?, that’s just not right, So basically what the hell is happening to the so called “IM HARDCORE” scene. I’ll let you guys figure that out.

May 15th, 2008
verse

That’s so true and i believe some of us would understand that.
But to call some band as “stupid-oldskoll-konon hardcore moron” does not seems right to me..! You dont even know them bro..

May 15th, 2008
madmax

So what we supposed to call them?
“Hardcore Sendirian Berhad”??
Is it cool?

May 15th, 2008
rizie

ade org ckp,kalau hardcore kena buang idealogi jauh-jauh..supaya dekat gig,boleh mosh..pastu boleh enjoy..so sape2 yang datang ade idealogi tu kena tinggalkan kat rumah..macam tu eh..aku dengar orang cite kat aku..hehehe…tak tahu la betul ke tak..hehehhe

May 15th, 2008
hatta

what’s wrong with being “hardcore sdn bhd”? if they are doing it without stepping on others, i don’t think there are any issues about it. maybe we should define the whole “corporate hardcore” more properly rather than just pointing finger at bands/people that we think to be un-punk just because they have been featured in some glossy rawk mag…

May 15th, 2008
civil_disorder_dude

“ade org ckp,kalau hardcore kena buang idealogi jauh-jauh..supaya dekat gig,boleh mosh..pastu boleh enjoy..so sape2 yang datang ade idealogi tu kena tinggalkan kat rumah..macam tu eh..aku dengar orang cite kat aku..hehehe…tak tahu la betul ke tak..hehehhe” - Rizie

It’s true actually…, I was there when this happen, It happen during this fight at Come Back Kid gig at zouk, They were arguing about some issue and then out of nowhere this dude came and said “hey idealogi-idealogi tak payah nak bukak, kita semua sini music-music je”. It’s actually quite stupid because if idealogi is not so important then what the hell all of us still follow? and during that time the issue has something to do with the idealogi itself, Everybody know Corporation
is not a very good thing, Ahh… what the heck, In my point of view
Punk goes corporate it’s just bad…,

May 15th, 2008
muhammad amirull

You end up spending all your fight to keep your place under the light
In front of new kids who don’t seem concerned
So we must teach them what we’ve learned
When you’re DIY you don’t have to apologize, you can cut the ties
When you’re DIY there’s no need for compromise, you can be yourself

They can’t take it away: Punk will scream what corporate rock can’t say

It never works to play their game, things always turn out the same
Times have changed but it’s still not funny
They turn rebellion into money

When money’s involved, morals are pliable
You can’t be punk and commercially viable
No message survives, once it becomes buyable
If you want to make a difference keep it DIY-able

It’s time to give a second thought to what’s been gained
And now what’s been lost, once punk was young and dangerous
But now that’s all been taken from us
By an industry a billion dollars strong
That still has nothing on an old school singalong
We can fight, and we can win, it’s time we start this over again

Good Clean Fun
What Corporate Rock Cant Say

May 16th, 2008
watai

It’s true actually…, I was there when this happen, It happen during this fight at Come Back Kid gig at zouk, They were arguing about some issue and then out of nowhere this dude came and said “hey idealogi-idealogi tak payah nak bukak, kita semua sini music-music je”. It’s actually quite stupid because if idealogi is not so important then what the hell all of us still follow? and during that time the issue has something to do with the idealogi itself…

neraka aperkah yg sedang berlaku…???
asyik-asyik nak gaduh jer…. masuk gusti laaa…
buat malu jer kat omputeh tu..

May 17th, 2008
Salleh Gregor Samsa

Owh, sweet leaving your idea behind when you are in a show.

Well, I am not really sure about others yet, I do believe that I’d be laughable to have that kind of attitude. So, we were like a part time hardcore (well, I am not that positive to use the term ‘hardcore”, I guess) and we would really fight against racism while we are in a circle of our hardcore friends, but in a same time when we were hanging out with those who are not into the “scene”, then, its ok for us to tolerate to racism, eh?

Why? Cause we have leave it behind. Put it nicely at home and bla bla bla.

Well, hardcore is so fucking dead, I guess. At least for me.

May 17th, 2008
einseconds

To MadMax

Thanks for the comment.It was really nice and sweet of you.I believe no one is correct and no one is the true one.Non of us is holier than other.We did what we have to by helping friends.Playing in a big festivals Like Zouk was not what we dream of,We played bigger show than this.But unfortunately they paid us Rm 1000 per person. Wich is very good.Since we save the money for our recording,touring and prepare for the next shows and for Choke Cocoi show.We not very rich,we dont have our own studio and our salary is not enough to support everything,You know this if you in a band.Choke Cocoi is our friend,we knew them very well.Butch regala are the manager for that band we know them since 1999.They requested us to do the shows and requested some of this bands.We dont wanna put is as an average shows but more to campaign.And this is not an oldschool fest since you can see its all mixed bands in genre.This time we choose sexism and racism as a campaign since its in May where the Month of the year where 1000 people were killed in a rage race in 1969.We choose few bands that are female fronted at the shows like Regime and Moms on strike so that it wouldnt be monopolize by majority of Male Malay dude like you.

How old are you Max,21?Well would you believe if I told you you be quitting when you get a good job or degree?or maybe when you get married.Ive seen alot people like you,who likes to moaning and complain but did nothing.And at the end you be end up working in a big corporations and at night I be seein you at the night club.Just stop ,moaning at the communities,Show us the right way if you are intelligent and smart.We dont have degree on this.Just dont be such a smart ass in the end your fire in eyes will turning into ice,promises turning into lies.Take care.

May 18th, 2008
einseconds

To civil Disorder.

I bet you’re a very smart person,Are you university graduate?The way you talk like you know how to manage a bussiness from OXFORD.If theres no bussines in Hardcore/punk then theres no bussiness for Joe kidd too right.Do you expect us to work for employers for the rest of our lives?NO WAY ! Maintaining a shop and a restaurant at the same time where profits and loss are traditions.Can you explain why most of the gigs still asking for the ticket at the door depending on what bands are playing and how much are the venues are.Do you ever put up a show before this?Do you ever pay your bands?Have you ever occur that money play some part to support the bands like equipment,practises,tolls,petrols,food recording and touring?Do you know why did you paid rm 50 at the shows?Its goes to the bands laa .And because of you the promoter get to pay their flight ticket.If you dont like the shows then dont come.Its simple and easy.You know this very well.Then why complain?Because you cant get a beer?owh come on dont cry la.

I would like to recommend to you.Why dont you make a charity show and see how it goes on the 25th of may?the next day after us.No money involve no bussiness making at all just a donation.Would you doit choke cocoi we’ll see will it be succeed.

And what the fuck this got to do with Straight Edge getting commercialize and capitalize?Wouldnt this world be a better place if everyone is sxe?That would be unfair to some people right?some of them still depending on Booze and cigarrettes to live.Let them be what they wanna be just stop telling people how to live their lives.If kids wanna wear SXE shirts let them be.I dont care If people who are not SXE wearing SXE Tshirts anyway.Why do you bother? its not that they are hurting other people.Go fuck other things like why kids wear EMO tshirts and METAL shirts but they are not.

To answer your questions Basically what happens to the so called Im HARDCORE scene.Every one is free to do whatever they want.Everyone is free to break the rules haha.

Next topics ETHICS and DIY someone please explain this.

THANKS CIVIL.

May 18th, 2008
khairul azizi

yeah..everyone is free to corporate with the businessman!

May 18th, 2008
watai

tersentuh lak jiwa naluri ku yg luhur ni…baca huraian einseconds ni…
walaupun jiwa naluri ku tersentuh…. tetapi aku bukan golongan lelaki gemalai yer….

* this is not a provoke statement.

May 19th, 2008
watai

ETHICS
The branch of philosophy that deals with morality….ethics is concerned with distinguishing between good and evil in the world, between right and wrong human actions, and between virtuous and nonvirtuous characteristics of people…..
DIY
The phrase “do it yourself” came into common usage in the 1950s….
..Is a term used by various communities that focus on people creating things for themselves without the aid of paid professionals….the actual activity of DIY goes back through the ages, since the beginning of time, people have used their own abilities and available tools and technologies to take care of their own needs, make their own clothing, and so on…In recent years, the term DIY has taken on a broader meaning that covers a wide range of skillsets….
…today, for example, DIY is associated with the international alternative, indie and punk hardcore music scenes….members of these subcultures strive to blur the lines between creator and consumer by constructing a social network that ties users and makers close together………there are various communities of media-makers that consider themselves DIY, for example the indymedia network, pirate radio stations, and the zine community…..
….DIY as a subculture arguably began with the punk movement of the 1970s….instead of traditional means of bands reaching their audiences through large music labels, bands began recording themselves, manufacturing albums and merchandise, booking their own tours, and creating opportunities for smaller bands to get wider recognition and gain cult status through repetitive low-cost DIY touring…. the burgeoning zine movement took up coverage of and promotion of the underground punk scenes, and significantly altered the way fans interacted with musicians….zines quickly branched off from being hand-made music magazines to become more personal. zines quickly became the one of youth culture’s gateways to DIY culture, which lead to tutorial zines showing others how to make their own shirts, posters, zines, books, food, etc….
i guess laa…..

May 19th, 2008
Pak LaN

Thus begins the endless cycle of the various perspectives of what is punk and what is not. drop the ego shit, stop the ignorance and just take it for as it is. Its a scene killer. might as well educate the bigger society and expand the subculture, instead of barking at other people and shooing them away . Hardcore, punk, whatever, its about the drive and spirit which is against any form of ignorance and generating awareness on whats important in life such as love, truth, justice, friendship, sheer irony etc. while bringing out their ideas and thoughts. As long as they’re not singing about supporting fascist ideals and other negative ignorant crud they’re not really doing any damage right?

May 19th, 2008
einseconds

Thanks Watai I really need more smart people like you to help us to educate more kids at the shows.Can you give some speeches on stage on this 24th of May?that is you brave enough to reveal yourself.Normally all the smart one prefer to educate among themselves and complaining behind computers insted to the new faces.Are you one of them Watai?

May 19th, 2008
watai

u’re welcome einseconds…actually i’m not the right person to give some speeches on stage (mcm YB laa pulak) especially for subject education like ” to be a good manner at shows”….. one more thing, i’m already revealed myself by this nickname (watai)….because all my friends call me watai…for a new friend like u einsecond (kengkawan panggil awak einsecond kerr…) maybe don’t know me…It’s not a matter of brave or not, its up to you how u wanna judge or label me…;-)

May 19th, 2008
saker_ayam

boring ah dgn MYHC ni seme
tah pape dah skng

+sharil

May 20th, 2008
civil_disorder_dude

DEAR MR EIN OF SECOND COMBAT….

First of all, What the heck does the University Graduate and collage stuff have to do with all this? Im not sure about the shop doing business because if your thinking we’re making a lot of money that’s where your wrong.why?. for all i know the shop does not make any much profits from the selling, We only took like 30% out of the price they put, so basically if you put Rm 2 or Rm5 for your stuff then you calculate how many we get, Sometime we don’t even take the 30% because of why? because we understand how they’re going through and we don’t mind because the shop is all about helping out the scene, helping the old and the new band exposing their stuff and also a place to hang out. Well for employment it’s up the individual, I don’t mind working as an employee as long as i enjoy the job and it could help me survive the wretched world then i’ll be fine. If you want to talk about restaurant i used to work in a restaurant and it’s is so damn different then maintaining a shop, Well honestly i never did a show before but i did help a lot of people do a show from getting PA and all those stuff you need and i sure hell know how they go through all the way and it wasn’t easy. Yes… money does pay a lot of role in life especially when a band travel from far, but the main question is are you playing music for money or for passion and the sake of enjoying it?. Im not sure about you but for me i never ask for money unless i play somewhere far just to cover the transport money but usually they didn’t give any because i understand that they don’t have money them self and eventually i don’t mind because i love playing music and i love touring, you get to learn a lot of stuff from culture to the people and the scene it self rather then just focus on the money which for me is a fair trade. To tell you the truth i never paid Rm50 yet for a show that i one to see, But that doesn’t mean i wont pay. I still go for it if i want to and pay for it. Dude… have i complaint about the show sucks and even be there? Because that phrase is a bit out of line.. maybe you should tell somebody else that really went and said it sucks and complaint about it. Buy a beer? haha i don’t drink, i don’t even smoke for fuck sake.

Seriously Ein i would love to make a charity show for Choke Cocoi because i heard they we’re having problem getting people organize they’re show in Malaysia but since im not that rich and things are last minute i don’t think i can do it and you know how the shop works so don’t expect me to get a high pay. I didn’t help my dad settle the electric bills yet and it sure hell cost around Rm1150 because of pending bill.

Well this world would be good but what’s the used if it just become a trend and nobody give a fuck about the idea. I don’t mind too if they want to wear a “STRAIGHT EDGE” t-shirt, but can you stand it when a person wear the t-shirt, act all macho and tough then later come to you and said “your not Straight Edge, Go hang out somewhere else because your not one of us”. I think you know this statement “Punk support gay, Punk Sampah” and this is made by one of the kids who claim to be Straight Edge, Hardcore and “Punk tak sampai tahap korang”. I know you were there and i know you were watching. Im not blaming all the people into straight edge are like this but some of it is just way off the line and i don’t see anybody doing anything of it. Hurting a lot of people… well that one you have to investigate, There’s been some cases in the city that this kid claim to be hardcore make a gang aka “The Crew” and went out causing trouble. I heard this from a friend of mine who his brother got whack. It’s just ridicoulous.

Well nice talking with you EIN, I just want this thing to go on a right way, not on a lame and bad way… you get me and i know it’s not going to be an easy thing.

Thanks EIN. .

May 20th, 2008
saker_ayam

kalau aku ada (DIY) band, i’ll play for passion
serious!
thats my choice!

May 20th, 2008
penglipurlara

oooh kalo aku ade band aku xnak terikat dengan diy nih..

May 20th, 2008
rizie

oooh kalo aku ade band,aku nak band aku tu DIY dan indiependent..tapi aku nak masuk rancangan melodi..boleh tak?

hehehe…

May 20th, 2008
Joe Kidd

“terikat dengan DIY”

tepuk dada tanya selera, boss. tak kenal maka tak cinta.

situasi “terikat” terjadi apabila kamu bukan lagi melakukan sesuatu itu dengan naluri keinginan diri lagi dah. Kamu sudah lupa diri dan ikut-ikut undang-undang orang lain (mungkin “undang-undang yang tak tertera” dari “scene” atau “komuniti” yang ada), dan bukan naluri keinginan diri-sendiri lagi dah.

Apabila terasa “terikat”, ia bermakna kamu sudah “dipaksa” atau “terpaksa”; apabila kamu melakukan sesuatu disebabkan oleh “terpaksa” maka kamu bukan lagi “doing it yourself” la boss.

So when that happens, its time to potong that tali yang berada kat hidung tu and find your way back to WHAT DO YOU WANT.

It’s as simple as that really.

Sememangnya komuniti ini mempunyai pelbagai naluri dan kemahuan serta “undang-undang” yang tersendiri, dan pada masa-masa serta tahap tertentu boleh melampau batasan hak-hak kemauan individu atau bercanggah dengan pelbagai ide-ide yang lain.

Itu sememangnya lumrah bermasyarakat. Yang penting, tepuk dada tanya selera diri KITA sendiri. Is this what you want or is that what you want. The powers is in your hands.

And the way to go is to BE YOURSELF and DO WHAT YOU WANT. That’s the basics of DIY, other than that it’s all “ism” and “skism”.

Other people can say this and that, and want you to follow THEIR rules and wishes. They will complain, yell at you and they will try to put you down, but only you know who your are and what you want.

For me, I find all these debates healthy. It gives me ideas, options and things to think about and choose to apply for myself (if it fits lah!)

Sometimes I myself would forget the sanctity of individual choices and wishes and put down some people I feel strongly against, but that’s basic human behaviour la boss. The most important thing is to finally realise that everyone has his or her own choices to take, and NOBODY can stop anyone from taking his or her own steps.

So, the final question is: WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU WANT? GO AND DO IT LA BOSS.

No bosses, no masters!

May 20th, 2008
Joe Kidd

Anyway, is there a new flyer for this show??? Can someone send me. I need to update the info and stuff.

cheers,

joe

May 20th, 2008
verse

Dear Civil Disorder Dude

I do agree with you dalam perenggan pertama tue.. We feel the same way la bro..
Kalau lah sebab utama kitorang bermain musik sebab kerana duit, dah lama dah kitorang quit tak pun buat band indie and then go big la.
sebab selama main band nih pun, tak pernah pun sekali kitorang untung, nak kaya? nak focus fulltime playing band? nak jadikan karier? jangan fikirlah. So do you think we’re making a lot of money? or do you still think that we make a very good profit by selling out the show to the businessman? Who is businessman anyway?
Seriously its all about the passion but the truth is we still need money for the sake of the band. Everyone know that. I believe you would understand too. Enjoyed playing music? Of course we do, and i believe everyone of us enjoyed with their kind of music. But again we always fight each other just because we have different taste of music? haha I’ve seen it many times.

About Choke Cocoi, memang banyak sangat masalah, tapi yang paling susah ialah venue. We’ve booked the show at Cheras tapi last minute kena cancel, terpaksa plak cari venue baru and we found that only Pauls Place is available. Where do we get the money to pay for the rent, equipment + PA? Duit show second combat yang kita kumpul sikit-sikit. Duit merch dan CD yang kita jual. Itulah modal nya. If the show went bad, tak ramai orang? we’ll lose that money but if the show went good, MAYBE we can have our money back and spare for our next project. That’s the only things we can do.

Also i’ve seen a lot of kids involve in fight tak kiralah what type of person they are e.g hardcore, metal, punk, skinhead, indie, emo. There’s one cases where i saw a group of punk kids, pergi ‘pau’ budak2 sekolah. Bila budak tu melawan, dia dipukul sampai kepala kena pijak dengan boot yang keras2 tuh. You tell me now, is it fair ke kalau aku keluarkan statement yang kata ” Punk is Sampah”? Takkanlah kerana nila setitik rosak susu sebelanga kan?
So i just keep quite dan tak komen apa2 pun, why? because i know and understand, punk is not about that. I hope you would understand too. Sebenarnya, perkara pertama yang kita try nak buat ialah, camana nak tarik perhatian orang untuk datang show? Tarik perhatian orang untuk jadikan show tempat santai, jumpa kawan2, enjoy the music, tempat untuk band2 ketengahkan idea2 dan merch mereka, info2 yang berguna dan yang paling utama untuk buat masyarakat faham dan terima pendapat2 kita. Kita cuba nak buat bersungguh-sungguh for the scene itself lah.
“There’s been some cases in the city that this kid claim to be hardcore make a gang aka “The Crew” and went out causing trouble. I heard this from a friend of mine who his brother got whack. It’s just ridicoulous” - This is totally ridicoulous and suck. But why i never heard bout this shit?

“And the way to go is to BE YOURSELF and DO WHAT YOU WANT” -as long as we dont step on others or mengganggu hak orang lain, then i think it would be ok.

I just hope people would understand, maybe we have different taste of music, ideas, but still we share the same things that is our scene. if ideas makes us go separate ways, Im offering my friendship so that we still can shake each others hand when we meet.

May 20th, 2008
watai

tu laa.. saper suruh ikat “DIY” tu….. be free laa sedara…freedom

May 20th, 2008
yaser

“Kalau lah sebab utama kitorang bermain musik sebab kerana duit, dah lama dah kitorang quit tak pun buat band indie and then go big la.” - verse.

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:) tak perlu untuk buat band indie untuk ” go big” . band hc pun boleh apa apa “jadi besar” . hehehe

May 20th, 2008
penglipurlara

oo ok2..patutnya mcm d.i.y pye concept bleh pakai mcm compose sendiri record sendiri..yg mcm2 tuh bleh la..ok2..bukan terikat ek(aku terbabas)..amalkan konsep yang bagus diambilkan..sesuaikan dengan keadaan band anda..

May 20th, 2008
einseconds

I work in a cafe for 7 years before this,I was tired of the way they treating me and I was tired with the environment,Im getting to old for being order around.The salary was always not enough to pay my bills,rents,debts and support the band.I have to do another job like do some direct selling and insurance,running a distro.I really wanted to own a qualification so i could earn some respect.I dont have a qualifications like SPM,degree or diploma.Its kinda hard for me to survive sometimes to get jobs and all.I can see lots of punk kids enjoying themseves pretending to be poor, studying in expensive college work in a corporate company.Lots of them are from rich families.They have all the money they wanted to play bands to go around and have a good food at home cook by their parents.They dont have to worried for the next day.Thats why some bands they dont complain when didnt get any money to cover their cost of living.I know that I could’nt get money by playing in a band.But by hoping to cover all cost it would be appreciated.We could’nt ask for more that would’nt be nice.

I was thinking that Punk scene are the alternative for me.The ideals,the environment,politics the people inspired me.It was my escape plan.not to scapegoat it but to learn from it and live it.I used to drink alot and smoke dope as every punks did.I’ve been trying to be as punk as I could.I was young and naive non of my brothers gets into college because we were poor and not smart.Violence were the only solutions for me and my brothers.One day I just stop doing everything.I wanted to be clean again.Theres where I got into sxe and also my bandmates.We wanted to change the scene and society perspective towards punks.I know theres lots of good and sincere punks outhere who doing a good thing for the environment and community,I really respect that.

But its a disgrace when seein lots of punks/hc/sxe kids who just just got into punk destroying everything.most of them had less knowledge than us,theres not even fanzines around to educate but most of it are meant to be prejudice and discriminate.All the smart punks does not concern about this when theres thousand of kids going nowhere.What we all do is to complain this and that yadda yadda bla bla bla.Theres no action been taken.Most of them are retiring when they got good jobs and families thats the end of their punk days.When we take the responsibility we get the blame of being non hc,non punks and fucking sellouts bla bla bla.

Most of kids talks like they know everything.But when comes to real life they become so stupid.Supporting unethical industries careless about environment and human beings.And non of this punk kids care about being vegetarians.If you believe in Equality theres should be an ethical between human and animals.Non of punks should consume animals.Please be specific when talking about corporations.Because you might be one of their statistic.

If this relates to DIY then cigarretes should be DIY alcohol should be DIY food should be DIY.Everything should be DIY not just relate this to music scene but to all aspect.Hardcore had become modern now,music is amplified with good system everything is fucking expensive.DIY are revolted from traditional to Modern.No more Tape dubbing,cutting your own lyrics sheets, tshirts are becoming more quality,fanzines are proprinted and colourful.Power of productions all in hands,from pressing,selling,market and distributed it.We still have our bussiness in our hands that is still DIY and no need to explain about it.As long as the bussiness does not falls into other peoples hands we are in control.We are not playing with the same faces everyday,we reaching new faces at every shows to educate and to penetrate with knowledge.We are doing what we wanted,and no one could stop us.Thats Punks should have to live their lives the way they wanted to be without being exploited and discriminated.We had been here for 12 years and we gonna be here for another 12 years.Im sorry if we didnt meet your musical taste but we’ve been sincere enough and prove that we not doing this for name,money or glory If we got famous like minorthreat thats just a bonus for us.

Remember we’re not better and we’re not the best.Theres alots of diffrences between us, accept the facts that we have different idea’s and live a different lifestyle.Live with this then we can get the mutual understanding and respect.Theres thousands of people were killed in Palestine,Iraq,Myanmar,Thailand,Afghanistan,Tibet and more.Do we want more killing and hatred here?

May 20th, 2008
Pijan

Yo ein..kat sini kau ya.
akupun nak jugak lah! hehe
ok, forum terbuka ya tak?
lagipun hari ni aku tunggu hujan stop nak balik jalan jamm gila.
ofis aku kat TM Asia Life, sebelah Megan Avenue 1, sapa2 ada kerja kat area sini contact lah..aku bosan time office hour tarak gang.
Diy? Actually Comeback Kid tu producer dia Bill Stevenson (Descendents /SST/Black Flag/terbaru Lemonheads) so aku rasa semua tau label pioneer SST Records ni antara label diy yg awal. Apa yang cuba aku sampaikan, maksud aku scene ni kecil pusing2 kat situ jugak. Jadi sebenarnya komunikasi je problem, dan sebenarnya benda nilah yg paling penting dlm perhubungan kita sayang..
Diy? sampai ke hari ni x pernah settle issue ni. Pasal apa? Pasal mana ada kitab punk/hc/whatever yang absolute to what extent is diy. Masing2 define lah sendiri..tapi kalau dah baca MRR sepuluh tahun x phm lagi mmg nak kena tampar!
Ada sekali aku pernah berborak ngan Oz(Naked Butterfly) saja crita psl diy. Korang tau apa jawapannya? Ni kata Oz, “eh dulu kitorang lagi diy dpd korang semua ni, ikat batu bata sendiri nak buat studio, semuanya kitorang set up sendiri” kata dia. Nak ikut kan mmg lah betul diy. Tp zaman tu byk record label(betul2 berniaga punya) yg support badge tu. Korang faham tak apa yg cuba aku cerita ni? Bila pertanyaan di aju pada org yg out of context dpd diy hc/punk scene.
So dlm dunia ni bukan dlm hc/punk jer yg byk beza pendapat, it’s more complex dalam real life. Tepuk punggung korek sendiri! Ops sorry, tp elemen mencarut adalah part yg aku paling suka sekali dlm punk.hehe..It’s ok for me if one punk work with big corporation company. At least we still have friend when help is needed. not an assholes ones! See ya at the pit mofucka! Catch me when I slam! Will ya baby? Yeah i guess you loves me too.

May 21st, 2008
einseconds

Pijan

Aku keje bangunan sebelah kau la siot,lain kali kasi call la,bole lepak kat mamak depan Ambank waktu balik keje ngorat ngorat aweks kat sebelah..

May 21st, 2008
penglipurlara

ein nak autograph..hehe

May 22nd, 2008
Pijan

Orait ein.hari jumaat kalau xde apa2 aku contact kau waktu sembayang.
Hmm..lepas aku baca Ein punya komen ni baru aku perasan, betul lah kebanyakan budak2 yg involve dlm hc /punk /indie kat malaysia ni dtg dpd family middle class dan ke atas. Sesiapa yg lahir dlm working class family tu mesti dapat rasa apa yg aku cakap ni.

May 22nd, 2008
Pijan

siot penat aku type x masuk plk tadi.
yo ein..nanti aku contact kau waktu smbyg jumaat ke.
kau keje mana?aku cam biasa la co. construction..
oh ya, dpd komen si ein kat atas ada satu benda yg mmg aku setuju.
Kebyakan scenester /undergrounders culture kat malaysia ni especially mmg lahir dpd family middle-class dan ke atas. Sesapa yg lahir dpd working class family mmg akan faham dan dpt rasa benda ni.
Vegetarian..hmm aku pernah veggie setahun tp bila dah keje line heavy industry ni aku x larat, badan aku lemah dan x cukup nutrien makan sayur je. Tp for sure aku x ambik red meat sampai skg..Sebenarnya vegan /veggie ni mmg dah mcm culture utk Europe/US scene tp kat Asian scene secara average nya punk2 kat sini mkn daging. Cakaplah true mcm mana pun, inilah realitinya. Anyway, aku mmg pro-animal right..baru-baru ni member aku wantong terjumpa ular sawa kat tepi jalan lalu di kutip dan di belanya di rumah. Dia ckp kesian nak lepas ular sawa tu kat tepi jalan takut kena bunuh. Nak bagi pd zoo diorang beli RM3/= je seekor..Kalau korang apa korang buat?
Hmm nanti Gasoline main aku nak bwk lah ular sawa tu. Gimmick skit! haha

May 22nd, 2008
mat duan

hehe..pada pendapat aku la..promote dgn media,jadi media yg control.
orang tgk hc sebagai 1 benda yg cool :),media takkan siarkan
ape2 yg rebel, just bagitau inilah aktiviti anak2 muda..nak reach massa dengan media?kan ikut cara media.

May 22nd, 2008
kenet

Kita ni hidup zaman mana ya skarang ni? realiti atau fantasi? sedangkan pantai pon berubah dihempas ombak inikan manusia yang mudah lupa.

“DIY are revolted from traditional to Modern.No more Tape dubbing,cutting your own lyrics sheets, tshirts are becoming more quality,fanzines are proprinted and colourful.Power of productions all in hands,from pressing,selling,market and distributed it.We still have our bussiness in our hands that is still DIY and no need to explain about it”. - Einseconds

“And the way to go is to BE YOURSELF and DO WHAT YOU WANT. Thats the basics of DIY, other than that it’s all ism and skism.

Other people can say this and that, and want you to follow THEIR rules and wishes. They will complain, yell at you and they will try to put you down, but only you know who your are and what you want. ” - joe kidd

aku setuju dengan kenyataan di atas tu.. jadi kenapa masih ada sesetengah individu ni masih nak mempertikaikan sesetengah band tu diy atau tidak.. adakah individu ni paham konsep diy tu? who are they to judge other ppl do? majestret? lawyer? pengetua akedemi fantasia?,PC Moron yang jahil..? atau seorang kawan yang menyayangi kawannya.?
yaa betul kalau dulu diy hcpunk band tak main kat show besar2, tak main kat show yang ada sponsor, tapi bila pikirkan balik apa masalahnya kalau band diy hcpunk main show2 besar dan ada sponsor? zaman berubah, pemikiran berubah, pendekatan, penerimaan berubah pandangan berubah dan semua bende berubah. kenapa idealogy harus tak berubah? takkan kita nak terus hidup dalam dogma dan dipengaruh dengan idea2 lama? bukanlah aku maksudkan idea2 lama tak boleh di gunapakai untuk zaman sekarang.. cuma harus di ubah mengikut kesesuaian waktu, sebab bagi aku idea yang dulunya dikaji oleh para pemikir terdahulu di olah mengikut zaman di mana mereka hidup.. adakah mereka tahu bagaimana zaman akan datang? jadi kita yang hidup kat zaman ni la harus mengolah untuk menyesuaikan mengikut keadaan. mana yang bagus untuk dipraktikkan kita ambik. yang dah tak boleh guna tu tolak tepi je la.. takpun olah mengikut cara sendiri. asalkan kita tau apa yang kita buat. apa yang kita nak dan tahu menghormati idea orang lain. komunikasi, hormat menghormati diantara idea/fahaman dan muzik adalah penting dalam komuniti hcpunk.

“Well this world would be good but what’s the used if it just become a trend and nobody give a fuck about the idea. I don’t mind too if they want to wear a STRAIGHT EDGE t-shirt, but can you stand it when a person wear the t-shirt, act all macho and tough then later come to you and said your not Straight Edge, Go hang out somewhere else because your not one of us!” - civil disorder

HUh.. aku berharap sangat la aku boleh jadi sxe satu hari nanti. ahahah.. aku harap2 sangat la jumpa org yang claim diri dia sxe dah act like macho asshole macam civil katakan diatas.. sebab boleh dikatakan aku hidup di kelilingi sxe, drug free person. taip2 malam aku lepak ngan dorang. kadang tu aku sorang je yang merokok. takda plak dorang ni complain taknak lepak dengan aku sebab aku ni seorang perokok. beruntung aku dapat kawan2 camni. rokok pon tak kene paw. ahahaha.. tak tau la pulak kalau ada orang camtu.. ni pesanan utk orang2 yang berperangai sedemikian rupa. ” Straight Edge tak memuliakan seseorang sebagai manusia tapi tahap pemikiran kau lebih baik dari aku sebab aku mengkonsumer pada produk yang merugikan dan memudaratkan hidup aku sendiri.” poor me. ahahaha..!

whats wrong is right, whats right is right, whats right is wrong. believe in your heart and be yourself..!

Nama pon media massa duan.. takkan dorang nak tutup periuk nasik dorang sendiri.. skarang ni kan zaman duit.. citer pasal rebel2 kang kene banned dengan ehem ehem.. ahaha… apa yang boleh tarik perhatian umum itulah yang dorang carik.. jadi takkan kita nak salahkan media sebab jadikan hcpunk ni cool. (cool ke jadi hcpunk?)
so.. what can we do? be a media against the media.

May 23rd, 2008
kenet

oh.. joe.. aku dah sent kat mail dungboy last few week.. cuba check balik.. mungkin awak terlepas pandang..

May 23rd, 2008
yaser

jadi takkan kita nak salahkan media sebab jadikan hcpunk ni cool. (cool ke jadi hcpunk?)
so.. what can we do? be a media against the media. - kenet.

habis tu , salahkan band yang kononnya hcpunk ,tetapi gunakan media yg kononnya untuk spread msg ” be a media against the media ” , tiba-tiba lain pula yg jadi,media telah gunakan untuk menjadikan hcpunk ini cool. satu lagi produk baru dari media muncul. siapa yang guna siapa? hahaha

May 27th, 2008
di-ai-wai

kalaulah aku jadi ular tu… “apalah bawa aku balik…tolong lah lepas kan aku ker belukar balik,…barulah aku free-dom..”

bergantunglah pada individu tu…. kalau dia rasa hot…hot lah HC punk
kalau dia rasa cool …cool lah HC punk…

cool ker tidak bukan masalahnyer…yg penting mcm maner kiter deliver atau membawa ertikata/prinsip sebenar HC punk dlm diri kiter….
tak perlu nak show off…aku lah HC punk…akulah SXE akulah vegan…
tapi kekadang kiter masih tercari-cari hala tuju sebenar kita…

so jadilah diri anda yg sebenar-benarnyer….
“jgn biarkan aliran musik mengubah prinsip hidup kiter…”

May 27th, 2008
McTheGang

whats up with all of this man ?

aper yg korang x puas sgt ?

kids from the HC side ader kacau korang ker ?

May 28th, 2008
saker_ayam

HC is dead!

May 28th, 2008
zika zika

Maaflah kerana tumpang menyibuk dalam perdebatan yang tak turun-turun darjah kepanasannya ni :)

Aku terpanggil untuk menulis serba sedikit pendapat aku tentang masalah bilamana sesebuah band yang claim mereka hardcore bermain di show-show besar.

To be honest, aku tak rasa benda tu salah, selagi kita tau siapa yang tukang sponsor dan apakah tujuan sebenar mereka meng-sponsor sesebuah gig tu. Contoh, kalau Food Not Bombs dengan Ricecooker organize gig dan sponsor gig tu, kenapa kita as a band featured cakap ” Eh kami tak boleh main gig sponsor. Kami taknak sokong kapitalisme “. Jangan jadi bodoh yang sombong. Kalau sesebuah penaja / peng-sponsor itu tidak mengamalkan mana-mana sikap buruk yang ditegah dalam ethics / ideologi hardcore seperti kapitalisme, rasisme, seksisme dll, aku tak rasa itu satu masalah untuk band tersebut main dalam gig tersebut. Melainkan kalau gig tersebut disponsor bulat-bulat oleh TM atau Maxis kerana mempromosikan pelan baru / apa sahaja kepada pengguna. Then that would be a problem and kalau lah band-band yang claim mereka hardcore main untuk gig tersebut, mereka selayaknya dikutuk seperti yang diperkatakan Madmax.

Setahu aku lagi, hardcore ni datangnya dari pecahan punk dan diperkenalkan oleh frontman Minor Threat, Ian Mackaye masa 80-an. Hardcore diwujudkan kerana mereka di Amerika Syarikat mengalami masalah sosial yang sangat teruk. Kerana itulah mereka menekankan sifat moraliti dalam music diorang seperti tidak menjadi seorang racist / fascist / sexist / homophobic et cetera et cetera. Mereka, working class ppl sering ditindas dengan orang-orang yang berkedudukan tinggi daripada mereka dan itulah sebab nya mereka mengatakan tidak kepada kapitalisme dan dari situlah munculnya Straight Edge iaitu tidak mengkonsum produk yang menyumbang kepada kemajuan mereka (pihak kapitalis) iaitu tidak merokok/ tidak minum arak dan juga tidak mengamalkan seks bebas. Hidup mereka memang melarat. Masa tu teknologi masih tak ada lagi. Kalau tengok live gig diorang pun pakai tape je. Situlah mulanya DIY.

S’rang mana ada tape lagi. Semua pakai cd. Lagi bangsat, main download dekat Limewire takpun Ares. Mungkin juga burn dari kawan-kawan dan convert kepada MP3 siap jadikan ringtone handphone lagi. Kalau ada pun pakai kaset tapi design sleeve semua dah lawa-lawa. Pakai apa? Pakai komputer jugak. Edit dekat software komputer jugak. Print pakai printer jugak. Jadinya kenapa kau tak hentam band-band yang pakai teknologi untuk menghasilkan album dan mixing? Kata DIY ye tak? Kata kena buat sendiri? Dulu Minor Threat takde teknologi. Kalau 80s dah ada teknologi macam s’rang im sure diorang pun akan buat benda yang sama. Tepuk dada tanyalah selera. Kau mampu ke nak dengar tape yang bunyi macam sial sebab mixing sendiri? Kau mampu ke nak baca lyric yang ditulis tangan (kalau tulisan writer tu cantik tak apa jugak)

DIY is in your soul. Nak go big pun kena do-it-yourself jugak. Kalau betullah kau tak support satu-satu band go big, Then kau jangan support Minor Threat. Jangan support Rage Against The Machine. Jangan support Fugazi. Ada pro dan kontranya sesuatu band itu go big. Sebagai contoh, kalau Minor Threat tu bukan band yang besar dan dikenali, kau rasa ideologi Straight Edge ni akan sampai kepada kita ke? Kau rasa kau akan mendengar music hardcore ke s’rang ni kalau bukan kerana Minor Threat? Cuba kau renungkan betapa apa yang diamalkan oleh mereka dan band band besar di NY yang menjadi ikutan kau semua. Adakah kau akan ikut kalau band tu bukan band yang besar?

Basically kan kawan, semuanya bermula dengan niat mereka ni buat band. Adakah mereka ni nak buat band kerana fame and fortune, and going big is the only way. Atau adakah mereka buat band kerana nak spread the messages around the world, dan satu-satunya cara yang paling efektif juga adalah dengan going big? Tu semua dalam hati, kawan. Sincerity paling penting. Orang lain tak tahu apa yang kau fikirkan, selain daripada kau sendiri. Respect juga kena ada. Aku rasa selagi mereka tahu menghormati antara satu sama lain, there shouldn’t be any problems regarding to “going big” issues, really.

Walau apapun ideologi kita, muziklah yang menyatupadukan kita. Unity and respect is the key to success.

Fully responsible for these words,
zika zika :)

May 28th, 2008
zika zika

Back in the day in the ‘ 80s when the
old bands would play (old school)
They managed O.K. They did fine
Although they never got paid (that’s cool)
50 cent shows, no cars we walked
Both ways through the snow (up hill)
That’s how it should go, but you’re too busy
Counting your dough (each bill)

If you want to be punk, if you want to be cool
Don’t forget the golden rule
Stay underground, you must stay poor
Don’t grow up and don’t ask for more

You live for the green, dead presidents
Are destroying our scene (money)
You know what I mean, you pay your rent
By selling the dream (for me)
No Individual Retirement Account
Forget you and your 401K (wall street)
I’m gonna stay as poor
As I am today (can’t eat)

You can’t be punk if you don’t care that dollar signs are everywhere
It seems like everyone’s on Victory
But I will give away all that’s mine, and we won’t make another dime
Money changes everything, you see
But I won’t let it change me.

Good Clean Fun - Victory Records Sucks! (feels good to be sarcastic eh?)

May 28th, 2008
mosh

dud, orang lain pun ade cd GFC gak.. baik ko tampal lagu ” tak mau lagi ” laaa.. :-p

May 28th, 2008
thee dr.

There’s a difference between non-profit and anti-profit; think about it.

May 28th, 2008
Pijan

Hc is away more than Minor Threat!
Hc is Flipper, Negative Approach, Articles of Faith, Black Flag, Circle Jerks, 7 Seconds and the almighty Untouchables! haha
Flex your head or you can suck Tony Victory’s dick!
Hc is 24 Reasons! haha

May 28th, 2008
rizie

tumpang lalu..
pijan,banyak nye aku kena baca kau punye tulisan..hehe..takde yg panjang lg ke?ehehehe…

May 28th, 2008
thee dr.

Not to mention the days of crossover mania from bands like D.R.I., SUICIDAL TENDENCIES, S.O.D., CRYPTIC SLAUGHTER, The CRUMBSUCKERS, GANG GREEN, R.K.L., mid-period AGNOSTIC FRONT, ATTITUDE, RUMBLE MILITIA, BLIND JUSTICE, M.O.D., A.M.Q.A., and bands that are crosover-influenced/revivalists like THROUGH SUNKEN EYES, SARJAN HASAN, 26 BEERS, RAW SEWAGE, The SPUDMONSTERS, ENSLAVED CHAOS, MUNICIPAL WASTE, FASCIST INSECT…..and many more…

May 28th, 2008
thee dr.

I mean ‘HASSAN’ (Sorry, Man ;)

May 28th, 2008
civil_disorder_dude

Macam kenal je ayat ” 24 Reason” tu… hehehe HC As Fuck - 24 Reason :P

May 28th, 2008
thee dr.

24 reasons…heheh…I remember playing with them and Nuclear War…it was one of our best shows, if not thee best.

May 28th, 2008
shahrizal

RKL kicked ass! too bad they’re gone :(

May 28th, 2008
zika zika

erk dont get offended Pijan. I do know that HC is totally more than just Minor Threat. Im just naming the few, as an example :) And Mosh, aku letak lyric GCF tu pun sebab lyric tu sangat sesuai dengan topik yang diperbincangkan, whether should HC go big or not.

Thanks :)
(minta maaf jika ada yang tidak sependapat dengan aku. Im just writing what was im thinking about this issues)

May 29th, 2008
Pijan

hoi shammir! ada org lebih thrash dr kau nih! nak aku petik? hehe

May 29th, 2008
rizie

pijan,boss kau tak marah ke kau online?

May 29th, 2008
rizie

sorry2..aku buat ricecooker ni mcm tempat chatting pulak..skang tgh bincang psl ape ek??

ooo hardcore eh…hehehe…k laa,blk dulu laa..bye2.

May 29th, 2008
McTheGang

zika zika !

i fucking respect ur opinion !

May 29th, 2008
epit

mainstream media jahat…
jangan kawan dengan orang jahat.

May 30th, 2008
moshing_machine

moshing machine said hardcore is for the hardcore. not for the mainstream.

you can play whatever show that you want to play. it your own choice.
corporate sponsors? y do we care ?. plus playing onstage with with neo facist racist & moralist champions supremacist ? why do we care about your band & the show itself ?

the point is

hc go big ? band go major ? do what the hell that you wanted to do. if you think it is allright, so go on. move on embracing you hcness in the mainstream. my opinion, i dont like it and i think something is wrong. so i say fuck them. easy. you have ur own opinion. i also have my own.

hardcore is not for everyone and everbody is not that hardcore. its ur own choice what is hc to you. anywy, if i dont like it. so fuck it. if you don’t like it just fuck it. easy.

its everyone choice. not a group/genre choice. and i choose to be underground and obsecure. you choose to be up high in mainstream.

May 30th, 2008
thee dr.

Well said, Moshing_Machine–you have the right attitude. One thing I would like to add tho is if those HC bands do wanna go mainstream, they have to be prepared for the possible criticism and repurcussions.

May 30th, 2008
su su nie nie

sgguh frust sebab choke cocoi main 2 shows je(walaupun aku dpt tgk 1 tmpat aja)

May 31st, 2008
Salleh Gregor Samsa

Blablabla. Apa pun, bagi aku, semua ni, sometimes macam useless je. Like we are all talking to the wall yang ada tampal gambar John Lennon. We are trying to get Lennon to understand everything yang kita cakap, dan harap untuk dia fikirkan, dan kemudian bincangkan. Tapi, sebab dia dinding dan dia dah mati sebagai legend, jadi, dia tak peduli.

Going big or not, its not really the issue. Cumanya, apa yang kita buat bila kita going big. Itu je. Kalau nak main dalam show yang besar-besar, nak buat show macam show U2, tak jadi masalah sebab bagi aku, semua yang form dan main dalam sesuatu band hc/punk tu adalah pemuzik. Dan, pemuzik perlukan show untuk mereka lalakkan lagu mereka.

Cuma, apa yang membezakan mereka dengan artis-artis yang non-hc/punk adalah (bagi aku la) mereka datang dengan social rensposibilities. Mungkin, aku sorang je yang faham dan percaya, kot.

Bagi aku sendiri, kalau aku ada band, dan kalau aku ada peluang going big, then I am okay with that. Kenapa? Sebab I need more people to listen to every single word yang aku tulis, and I need more and more people untuk terfikirkan apa yang kita semua “perjuangkan” selama ni.

Its something yang positive. I mean, kalau kita lakukan itu dengan “niat” dan nawaitu yang betul. Nawaitu punk.

Tapi, for most of the time, I don’t see people trying to buat some sort of all these. I mean, dalam gig hc/punk pun, orang tak suka nak dengar/buat songs explanation. Cuma, apa yang pernah aku lihat, certain bands ada yang buat. Tapi, dalam kebanyakkan masanya, orang tak nak buat.

Kenapa? Sebab song’s explanation isn’t that cool at all. Apa yang cool, adalah ketukan drum yang power-power, petikan gitar yang hebat-hebat, lompatan tertinggi dan pointing fingers yang paling banyak.

That’s cool.

Then, for me it’d be useless to have that kind of show bilamana lagu kita yang mungkin susah nak difahami, dinyanyikan beramai-ramai oleh orang yang tak faham apa yang kita nyanyi.

Apa yang ironiknya bila lagu kita dinyanyikan beramai-ramai oleh mereka yang tak faham, dan kita pula, sebagai “tuan” punya band, tak pernah nak cuba jelaskan apa yang kita lalakkan di ata pentas tu?

“He’ the one who like all our pretty song, but he don’t know what it means” Kurt Cobain.

For me, nowadays, apa yang aku alami dalam scene hc/punk bukanlah lagi mengenai educate and all. Kita cuma pergi ke show, dan dengar kepada band-band yang best. Itu je. Nothing much. We are no longer care about apa yang cuba band nak sampaikan. Dan ada certain bands pula, yang don’t care anymore about apa-apa.

“We are just playing music”

So, for me, di dalam atau di luar HC/punk, semuanya hampir sama. HC/punk is a subculture/culture nowadays, no longer a counter culture.

Simple, bila kita dengar lagu-lagu artis-artis radio yang membosankan yang dilimpahi dengan kuah penipuan, dengan lirik yang bodoh, lirik yang tak masuk akal, lirik yang ditulis menggunakan lutut sebagai medium berfikir. Dan, itu sebenarnya, ada di dalam lagu-lagu yang kita dengar yang kononnya dinyanyikan oleh para revolutioner, yang bangga dengan idea-idea yang mereka salin balik dari kitab suci punk. Sama je. kalau kita cakap Anuar Zain yang hensem tu tulis lagu tak guna otak, then bagi aku, sebanrnya, dalam HC/punk ni sendiri ada orang yang sama macam Anuar Zain. Tu je.

Jadi, kita nak lari dari kemelut hidup di dalam culture yang membosankan, yang menyesakkan, yang membodohkan kita. Dan, kita jumpa HC/punk kononnya sebagai satu surga. Tapi, rupanya sama je, Cuma beza yang kita ada kalau nak dibandingkan dengan Anuar Zain, adalah cara kita berpakaian.

Tu je. Kita dah tak peduli pasal apa-apa. Apa yang kita peduli, adalah “baju apa yang lawa nak beli ni”. Thats all.

***

Bagi aku, HC/punk tu cuma relevan dalam diri kita sendiri. Itu yang terjadi sekarang. Kita dah tak senakal dulu lagi, kot.

Sebab? Sebab sekarang ni, kita bukan lagi peluk dan balutkan idea hc/punk tu pada diri dan badan kita. Kita isikan setiap ruang dalam badan kita, dengan idea tu.

Tapi, kita cuma memakainya. Bila kita nak, kita pakai. Bila tak nak, kita bukak. Its simple.

All these ideas are membosankan bagi kebanyakkan orang. Isu sexism, racism, homphobia, dan apa lagi tu semua, dah membosankan. Ramai yang kata, “benda ni, 10 tahun lepas dah ada. Tak payah sibuk-sibuk”

Kenapa 10 tahun lepas, benda ni dah ada, dan sekarang masih ada lagi?

Sebab, most of us are too fucking ignorant. We are letting all these shits to masuk dalam HC/punk scene and make it look nothing more like a joke.

Sebab apa 10 tahun lepas, isu ni ada dan sekarang ia ada lagi?

Sebab most of us, tak pernah nak peduli pasal isu ni. Kita cakap, “we fight racism, we fuck sexism”. Tapi, realitinya, kebanyakkan kita masih lagi memeluk idea tu.

Tak percaya? Tengoklah sendiri. Sexism ada kat mana-mana. Duduk di mana-mana, dengan siapa pun, kebanyakkan masanya, ia masih ada. begitu juga dengan racism, xenophobia, homophobia.

Tapi, masih lagi kebanyakkan dari mereka nak cakap “i hate racism”. Nak pakai button “fuck sexism” sedangkan dalam diri mereka sendiri ada benda tu.

Biasalah, kita akan jadi punk, bila kita berada dengan kawan-kawan punk je, kan? Bila di luar, kita boleh jadi seksis dan racist dan assholes.

Sebab apa? Sebab kita semua are just having fun. Tu je. All these hc/punk things are just for fun. Its entertainment. Its a marketing tools. And its a place where e can easily jadi cool.

Jadi, marilah kita beramai-ramai, bekerja dengan lebih kuat, supaya kita semua boleh kumpul duit, untuk beli CD, baju, seluar senam, kaset yang cool-cool.

Kita consume sampai lebam, dan kita terus sibukkan diri kita untuk muzik dan pakaian, dan untuk memikirkan bagaimana cara nak jadi cool. Dan, terus kita lupakan apa itu HC/Punk bagi diri kita dan apa kesannya pada sekitar kita.

Ayuh, kita bodohkan diri kita lagi. Berhenti melaan sesama sendiri dalam ni. Sebab, ended up, kita semua akan terus bodoh sebab kita tak pernah nak gunakan otak kita.

Jadi, mari kita ramai-ramai cari sponsor, dan commercialkan gig di TV, ajak banyak-banyak clothing people, ajak RTM and sapa yang ada untuk pegi ke gig.

And we will have our plain fun!

Dan, jangan lupa, sila tinggalkan segala macam idea HC/Punk di rumah atau di dalam spender basah. Sebab, kita semua ni nak having fun, kan?

“I believe that HC/punk is that thing I love to have inside every single space in my body and soul. But, unluckily, I have to leave it at home as I have to be stupid everytime, I am going out. Its a rule for punk rockers.” P.G.S

May 31st, 2008
Salleh Gregor Samsa

By the way, * this is not a provoke statement.

May 31st, 2008
thee dr.

Wow–I agree with you–the earliest HC/punks didn’t have a ‘buku panduan’ to go off of–they played what they felt and felt what they played–so I agree with you–people’s adherence to the U/G scene is something that is learned behavior…it happens to most of us. Some people (albeit more rarely) are ‘punk’ without knowing it. I can see your rationalization for wanting to go big if you had a chance. I personally would not mind it either–as long as it is on my own terms and not the terms dictated to me by some outsider. A lot of people like the culture surrounding punk but not the underlying principles-equality, cooperation and independence (among others). In putting out too many rules, the HC/punk scene becomes like the hierarchal system they reacted against in the first place. Everyone can do what they want–it doesn’t neccessarily mean we support them. It is an interesting paradox–the first punk bands to come out with actual LP’s were on Valentine Sound Productions-they were an indie but were a capitalist-model label who introduced thousands of people to punk (and even more to extreme metal-self included) and it’s offshoots-there’s no right or wrong–only faith in what you believe in.

May 31st, 2008
watai

yeeaahhh….. benda-benda ni dah berlaku sejak berzaman dulu dah…
kiter beriyer-iyer fight sexism, racism, homophobia…etc..
tapi saper yg nak dengar yek…kiter juga yg dengar…kiter juga yg berkelahi sesama sendiri…pasal aper…pasal tak sama pendapat…hehehe
kerajaan nak dengar ker?….tak…diorang lagi sibuk nak buat duit, korupsi,birokrasi, skandal,parti itu parti ini etc…last sekali….masuk positive tone….tolong syarikat line telefon promote product diorang…
itulah kenyataan…. inilah perjalanan hidup… ader tempat persinggahan…
kiter sekarang berada di dalam alam persinggahan kiter….seronok!!!
hip hip hore !!..(cheers laa tu)

Jun 2nd, 2008
moshing_machine

moshing machine someday will quit punk, retire hardcore and livin large as a gangsta rap while Rollin down the street, smokin indo, sippin on gin and juice .Laid back with my mind on my money and my money on my mind

Jun 2nd, 2008
thee dr.

Hahahahaha!!! I love your sense of humor Moshing_Machine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jun 2nd, 2008
di-ai-wai

quit punk, retire hardcore…hahaha like a government servant laaaa

Jun 2nd, 2008
Pijan

mcm ni pun dah kira gaduh berkelahi talak 3 ka bro?
rilex aar..ada byk arguement baru constructive!
selama ni kerja ikut je telunjuk2 ‘godfather’ buat hapa!
dlm hc/punk, sepatutnya tarak sapa lebih hero, betul atau salah,
semua up yours! oh bondage up yours! X 2
it’s all in everybody’s hand brader!

Jun 2nd, 2008
watai

hehehe..berkelahi maksud tersurat, agak keras laaa…bahasa ibunda yg agak bersopan santun..berdebat..(opss..up yours how to judge it)
so saper ‘godfather’ yg ader pengikut tu..ader ker???
saper yg istihar ‘godfather’ tu….oooo ader ‘godfather’ rupernyer….and
who is the slave/victim of the ‘godfather’….yeahhh…yg ini i like
“it’s all in everybody’s hand brader!”
hip hip hore!!

Jun 2nd, 2008
moshing_machine

no..no.. not goverment servant

moshing machine wanna be a rap superstar, and live large a big house, 5 cars, you’re in charge comin’ up in the world, don’t trust no body gotta look over your shoulder constantly

Jun 3rd, 2008
di-ai-wai

hc/punk superstar also can, u’re talented, actually….hahaha

Jun 3rd, 2008
rawkcat

kesimpulannya,
jom tunjuk sape lagi hardcore,sape lagi DIY,
jom tunjuk kehardcore’an kita dgn playlist kita.
sape yg nk jadi hardcore kne mention ‘minor threat’.sXe,positive,jom cyte sejarah hardcore, jom fuck kapital, jom jd pesimistik, jom 2-step at shows, jom pegi sembahyang dan hapuskan homo, jom kite kne main show kecik xleh show besar, sape yg main show besar tu mmg stupid-oldskoll-konon hardcore moron, jom duduk bawah tempurung, …jommm!

akhir sekali dari aku,siapa rase dye punk rocker, jadi diri sendiri serta join aku masuk neraka nnti!

Jun 3rd, 2008
rizie

kalau bercakap tentang HC PUNK & DIY nih,tanya lah pada 10 org sekalipun,korang akan dapat 10 pendapat dan idea yang berbeza..ikut kata hati lah.senang cite.jangan terikat dan terikut..kalau diikutkan sampai kiamat pun cerita siapa lagi hardcore dan siapa lagi straight edge atau siapa lagi DIY nih takkan habis..tepuk dada tanya diri sendiri..idea dan buah fikiran manusia sekarang ni bukan constant sangat pun..semua nyer ikut peredaran zaman..aku tahu sgt lah..

kadang,idea kita nih tak semua boleh diterima orang..kalau aku cakap ape yg aku buat ni betul,tapi pijan cakap salah,aku tak boleh nak marah2 pijan..tul tak pijan?jadi,disini,satu pengolahan idea telah berlaku..aku pun pikir balik,kenapa idea aku tak diterima pijan..pijan pun bg idea dia pulak..tapi aku pulak tak setuju,last2 sampai ke kiamat la aku ngan pijan begaduh..

same la mcm kita sume2 dlm ni..tul tak..tp oke la..happening jugak ricecooker skang..ade la jugak topik untuk disembang2 ngan hero2 central market tu..ini semua sihat..lontarkan saja..kita tak halang…cuma yang membuat kita terhalang itu,bila sesuatu idea dan pandangan yang dilemparkan tidak disetujui oleh kita..

less talk more rock lah..hahahaha

kehidupan adalah milik kita..ayuh dong..

Jun 4th, 2008
ujeng

batu ape?….batu nang…batu ape?…..

Jun 4th, 2008
rizie

hahaha….disini sy inging melaporkang satu kejadiang berlanggor…muaahahahahahah..wakakak…

Jun 4th, 2008
weasel

to hell with unity!

Jun 17th, 2008
Pijan

The real enemy is outside this circle u damn man!
pls grow up boy!

Jun 17th, 2008

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